Chaotic Seraph
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Angel no more; I provide luck that turns to curse.
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Post by Chaotic Seraph on Jul 21, 2008 15:26:42 GMT -5
You think energy can be densified (is that a word lol) into matter?
LoL noob question!! but really plz answer it cuz no one else will!
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Post by Orion on Jul 21, 2008 15:58:29 GMT -5
I would say that theoretically, this is possible. Practically, nobody on the face of this planet could do it, because it would require an insanely huge amount of energy and focus and will that humans simply do not have.
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Post by arnick2 on Jul 21, 2008 16:09:09 GMT -5
O ryou could just use a realy good force bubble and flare it
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Post by stolide on Jul 21, 2008 22:11:55 GMT -5
That does not result in matter.
Yes, it is theoritically possible. Highly improbable.
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Chaotic Seraph
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Angel no more; I provide luck that turns to curse.
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Post by Chaotic Seraph on Jul 22, 2008 11:35:42 GMT -5
If somehow someone did achieve this, would the programming you put into the energy still be effective?
Would it be easier to make a construct that gathers enough energy to convert it to matter?
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Post by arnick2 on Jul 22, 2008 12:19:10 GMT -5
That does not result in matter. yes but its the closest you'll get.
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Post by Orion on Mar 19, 2009 17:40:23 GMT -5
Because the construct would not truly be matter, just energy that has been made dense enough to feel, then the programming would still control it. Basically, it would just be a construct that you can see and feel.
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Post by miri on Mar 19, 2009 20:22:39 GMT -5
One possibility not considered by previous authors is converting matter into energy and back into matter. Again, in theory, the "rematerialization" (?) could take any shape. In that way you could, in a sense, create matter from energy. It seems that energy created from dematerialization is rather different from the energy we're used to using, however.
I've tried this, with others, while trying to transport matter in a non-physical fashion. I prefer not to sound fluffy (which is part of the reason I have so little to contribute to the OEC these days, most of my energy work has become somewhat 'fringe'), so I'll admit that I question myself looking back on old logs and my notes. I was clearly convinced at the time that it was working to a degree. Matter was <i>apparently</i> ceasing to exist in one place and, after an interval of a minute to perhaps hours (it varied, and sometimes trickled a little at a time), would exist at the target location, in a form similar aesthetically to ashes or dust. Aside from that high-energy psychokinetic events occured (objects 'blinking' from existence and making an unchacteristically loud sound when crashing from less than an inch above it previous location, for instance). We tried dematerializing a few things ranging from paper to rubber foam mattress stuffing. The results of testing were never exactly the same twice and the project appears to have been abandoned, due to a lack of motivation.
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Post by Chain_the_Warforged on Mar 21, 2009 11:31:56 GMT -5
That's really interesting, and I'm actually sort of annoyed at the general climate in the OEC which causes actual legitimate things to be branded fluff and cast aside. It's a huge problem, and I'm attempting to at least improve things on PsiWorld.
Are there any specific methods you used to convert matter into energy and back again? That would be an interesting thing to experiment on....
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Post by miri on Mar 21, 2009 16:33:34 GMT -5
I mostly worked on the end returning energy into matter, though I had some little success converting the matter to energy. As with most things I do I used a combination of 'tech' (advanced constructs) and Runic work, however later attempts also included Enochian evocations, egregoric influence, mild reality warps, heavy duty astral warps, and long discussions lasting long into the night.
The most basic idea involved in the early tech models was to manipulate the stability of the matter with micro PK coupled with bursts of highly programmed energy with the aim to dematerialize the matter, allowing it to dissolve, and channeling the resultant non-material into astral. The non-material was transported similarly to any other energy, but it was much more stubborn, non-cohesive, and required pretty constant attention to keep moving. The 'rematerialization' (again in the simplest and earliest versions) used a cyclonic effect to force the non-materials into a cohesive mass, which translated easily into matter, though there was no control of the shape or form (consequently odd events, varying from psychokinetic to bursts of oddly colored light, occurred even as tiny bits of ash gathered).
Later versions became too complicated for me to understand outside of a light trance, even though each attempt only made baby steps towards more complex designs. The earliest versions, described above, worked, but not well, and left both the sender and recipient exhausted, the later versions varied wildly. The biggest problem we had was making the universe do what it very seriously did not want to do, as skilled and potent as we may become as energy workers we're still mostly confined to operate within the firmer laws of reality. My biggest suggestion to someone trying to transfer energy into matter, or matter into energy, is to find a way suspend the laws of reality locally (it must be possible to do to some degree, considering that observers reinforce the laws of reality by their mere existence, I'm simply not sure how to do so for any useful length of time).
I hope that helps, if you were ever on MSN I could probably explain it better if answering questions as they came to your mind.
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Post by stolide on Mar 22, 2009 14:15:07 GMT -5
I would love to discuss this with you, because as I understand it, what you are describing is either impossible, I'm misunderstanding it or I misunderstand things as they are.
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